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161. How to Go to Conferences Again with Heather Parady and Gregg Clunis

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On this episode of The Leadership Locker, recorded at Podcast Movement 2021 in Nashville, Rich talks with podcast hosts Heather Parady and Gregg Clunis about their different approaches to the conference, how to make connections, energy management, and FOMO.

Heather Parady is a podcast host based out of Atlanta, GA. She hosts the Unconventional Leaders and Happy Brain podcasts. Gregg Clunis is a content creator and entrepreneur. He is the founder of Tiny Ventures, LLC, where he is focused on creating the education, tools, and resources to help everyday people improve their lives. He’s the host of Tiny Leaps, Big Changes.

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  • 00:09 – Introduction
  • 09:00 – Rich’s approach to the conference
  • 10:30 – Heather’s approach to the conference
  • 12:59 – The right way to make connections
  • 15:41 – What Rich would have done differently
  • 16:49 – What Heather would have done differently
  • 18:14 – Greg’s approach to the conference
  • 23:17 – Heather on energy management at a conference
  • 25:42 – FOMO
  • 28:20 – Gregg on energy management
  • 30:55 – Advice for conference attendees
  • 33:35 – Where to find Heather and Gregg online
  • 34:03 – Rich’s closing thoughts

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Podcast Movement

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Podcasts

Unconventional Leaders

Happy Brain

Tiny Leaps, Big Changes

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Tiny Leaps, Big Changes: Everyday Strategies to Accomplish More, Crush Your Goals, and Create the Life You Want by Gregg Clunis

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How to connect with Heather:

Website

Instagram

Twitter

Facebook

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How to connect with Gregg:

Website

Instagram

Twitter

Facebook

YouTube

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Connect with Rich:

Website

LinkedIn

Instagram

Facebook

YouTube

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Transcript
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Hey, everyone.

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Welcome back to The Leadership Locker.

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So happy to have you.

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I'm Rich Cardona your host and look, you're in the right place.

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If you've never been here.

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Place for your new entrepreneur and aspiring entrepreneur, a seasoned

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entrepreneur you're in the right place.

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If you are one of the 25% of the veteran community that wants to start their own

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business like me and have started one and am taking you through the journey

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on Mondays and Fridays and Wednesdays, I have industry experts and influence.

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To talk to you about their expertise and how they can impart it on you.

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Get you the knowledge that you need.

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Guests have ranged from Kendra hall for storytelling, for business to Gary

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V, obviously talking about personal branding to Bradley talking about sales.

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I've had just fantastic, fantastic guests, and you sharing these with other people

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is what allows me to get those guests.

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So thank you in advance, but I want to tell you quickly how I went to Nashville.

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And my friend Holly told me about.

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Oh, she's a podcast.

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And she was like, you go into podcast movement.

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And I was like, I am now.

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It was just something I didn't think of.

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And I was like, you know what, man, let me, let me get out of here.

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Let me get out of North Carolina for a little bit and go and kind of throw

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myself back into you know, the mix in terms of conferences and, and this is

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something, you know, I'm, I'm driving.

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Towards hardcore, which is making the podcast itself, a bonafide and legitimate

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business, not just podcast production, not just the video production we do

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for rich Cardona media, but I want this podcast to be shit freaking hot.

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So I'm making a push.

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I want to go learn a few things.

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And obviously the networking, the networking, the networking, you know, do a

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little bit of the networking and all that.

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However I went in and I got to meet some fantastic people.

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Last week.

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I had Travis Chappell on, which was fantastic.

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I got to meet him, mark Cuban.

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I got to meet Mike Kim.

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You know, he has a podcast and then obviously is a bestselling book.

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You are the brand.

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And he's actually very good friends with the organizer, Jared,

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the organizer podcast movement.

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Who I was really excited to meet in person was my fan tastic friend, Heather Harrity.

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Okay.

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She has two podcasts.

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One is unconventional leaders which I believe she's right around 500 episodes.

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And the other one is happy.

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Brain it's approaching episode 100, right.

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Taken off.

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And look, I could talk about the podcast, but Heather is a dear friend.

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She had me on her LinkedIn leaders show a couple of years ago.

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Yeah.

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Since then we have been friends, like many of the people I

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keep in my very close circle.

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I know I could talk to her about anything.

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I know she could talk to me about anything.

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She knows she could talk to me about anything.

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So, so, so excited to meet her in person.

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And this is one of those things where LinkedIn or your favorite social media

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platform can and does allow you to formulate these virtual relationships.

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That don't feel fucking weird when you meet them in person.

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It's like, dude, you already know each other.

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Now it's like, let's just kick it.

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What's going on?

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How can I help?

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How's the conference.

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Lunches together.

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And then it's where do you want to go for dinner?

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And then it's are you going to this session?

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But despite all that, there was another introduction that was made to her from me.

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And she made this introduction a while ago.

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She was talking about this phenomenal podcaster that came up with the

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concept for happy brain, essentially.

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He's like, here you go.

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You're running the show and then she took it out.

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But that person is Greg Clunis.

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Now Greg has a podcast, tiny leaps, big changes.

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Okay.

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And Greg, so, well, let me tell you about the podcast.

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It's a personal development podcast.

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It's focused on no day-to-day behaviors of, of how, you know, how we all engage

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in determining like how we want to get the results in our lives that we want.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So simple strategies, but check this out.

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I'm I'm literally looking I just pulled it up.

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Apple pie.

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And 798 fucking episodes, like give me a break.

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That is insanity.

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Okay.

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Now Heather that's a while ago and it was a really kind of,

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it, wasn't a soft introduction.

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She makes great introductions, but for whatever reason, and

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Greg, I hope you listen to this.

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Like, I wasn't feeling it.

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And I was like, I don't know shit about Craig.

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And I'm like, whatever.

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And I was like, I don't care about what podcast he's got going

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on and blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Actually.

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He spoke at a couple of the podcast movements and the last couple of years,

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and I met him and the vibe was cool, man.

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Like, I, I really was just digging his personality, his demeanor,

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his knowledge, his experience, and then throw Heather into the mix.

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And you'll be able to hear.

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Podcasts coming up is just, I understand why they click.

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And then I kind of was like this, not a new kid on the block, but I was

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almost like a third wheel, but the three of us, when we were able to hang

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out together was freaking awesome.

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Now I say when we were going to hang out together because.

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I mean, I think Greg and maybe Heather went out a couple of the nights

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and then did this and did that.

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And guess who I was in bed by nine 30, this dude guess who was up at four?

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This dude, because I didn't want to go do that shit.

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I'm a creature of habit.

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So we were talking and we had access to these awesome boots to record a podcast.

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And that's exactly what we did.

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We talked about how to conference.

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And we have three unique personalities and three unique just on how to approach

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a conference, how to determine what you want out of it, how to network,

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how to rest, how to chill, how to not over-drink how to know what classes to go.

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And we do all this in a half hour.

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Now it's obviously our perspectives and our perspectives only, but I

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felt like this would be ridiculously useful for people who are going to

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start going to these things again.

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And don't sit there and act like you got that shit figured out.

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There's not a single person.

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I know that goes to conferences and just doesn't feel some aspect

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of one of these three things.

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Okay, FOMO by missing something or not going to class or not

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networking or anything like that.

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Overwhelmed, just overwhelmed with information, overwhelmed with the

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networking, overwhelmed with the energy, overwhelming the places to

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be, and then all the fucking shit.

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Okay.

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So that's number two.

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And the third one is the propensity to buy.

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Okay.

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The propensity to buy it is so easy to go to a conference and all of a sudden

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be completely convinced in that emotional state of hyperactivity and hyper knowledge

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ingestion that you're, you're going to feel compelled to buy some shit, a

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fucking microphone that you don't need.

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When the one you have works perfectly fine or change your freaking podcast

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network, or to do this or do that or whatever, like you've experienced.

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And you probably still do and you haven't mastered it.

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So I thought it would be a fantastic idea.

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And obviously, so did they, to, to like, let's sit down and talk about

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this and kind of weave the concept of all of our shows into something that

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you can ingest and something that you can listen to anytime, you know,

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Or save it and be like, okay, cool.

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I'm going to this summit.

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And I'm going to listen to this really quick to listen to how the pros and cons

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of some of the things they did and how they approached it and what I can do

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to make sure that I have a completely pleasant and stress free experience.

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So Greg Clunis.

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Okay.

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Don't forget to check him out.

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Tiny leaves, big changes, and my amazing friend Heather parody of

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unconventional leaders and happy brain.

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That one is putting a fun spin on mental health, although,

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although it can get deep.

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So just keep that in mind.

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And then last thing I'll say is in the mid roll.

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Okay.

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Halfway through the podcast, I'm going to come in, I'm going to

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tell you about the organization.

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I got my BA from and I'm going to tell you a deal they're going to offer you.

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If you've listened to this podcast and if you let them know that, all

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right, let's get into the show.

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Here we go.

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Hi everyone.

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So I gave you the quick intro here with my friends.

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This is kind of like a collab.

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We're supporting each other's podcasts, but we want to support you and

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talk about how to conference again.

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Cause I don't know how many people have been to conferences,

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but here we are in Nashville.

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And I think we have three unique perspective.

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And we'll just do quick intros for people in who are not in our each other's

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ecosystems, but we'll start with Ms.

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Heather, Heather parody,

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host of happy brain.

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And I'm going to try not to talk as Southern as possible since we're in Nash.

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Hey,

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my name is Greg Clunis.

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I'm the host of the tiny leaps, big changes podcast.

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And I'm rich Cardona.

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I can be self-conscious of my podcast.

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Voice.

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You guys have podcast.

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Okay.

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So check this out.

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I, I, I'm going to start with this and then, and I think it'll be good

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to obviously just go round here.

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So we're at podcast movement.

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I looked at the schedule and I was kind of overwhelmed a little bit

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going to some of the classes and I'm like, nah, I know this stuff wrong.

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This isn't that an energetic I'm outta here.

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So what does that leave you with?

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Which, which is what everyone says is the moneymaker at one of these

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things, which is the hallway talk and.

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I wasn't feeling it.

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I don't want to go up to people.

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I don't

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feel it.

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You're so social.

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Don't a lot of the people rich,

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I could do a lot more than I have.

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So I was talking to Greg earlier and I said, you know what, this

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morning I made up my mind and this is a practice I've heard.

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And I've done once that or once or twice before, which is just

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make the goal to meet five people.

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You know, if you meet a hundred people, you're not going

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to remember those hundred.

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But if you make five kind of key relationships or get so to speak,

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maybe you meet that person who you want on the podcast, that'll help.

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And that alleviated me to an extent.

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Now, meanwhile, Heather is trying to get a running club going on and Heather's, I

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own a speed network, crazy personality.

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So kind of doing the most, yeah.

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That I that's what I want to talk about my approach.

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I decided that would have to be my approach because I was uncomfortable

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doing, I actually literally booked my flight or changed my flight to leave

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earlier tomorrow, just so I can get home and get back into my routine.

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So for me, that was kind of where my Headspace was disrupted.

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And so I decided to make a plan just to be like five key people.

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And I've changed.

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I'm happy with it and I feel better now, but what was your

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approach coming in and then Greg, what was your approach coming in?

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Sure.

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So to your point about, you know, like, oh, Heather's

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running around meeting people.

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Y'all, don't see me also going back to my room and making a pot of coffee,

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getting in my jammies at two 30 and taking like a solid two hour break

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from it, because I think measuring your energy is really powerful.

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You know, as achiever type people were like, okay, here's my goal.

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We're going to go do it or whatever.

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But if we're not like at an energetic state where we're really there and

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engaged and really feeling good, we can make connections all day long,

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but are these solid connections?

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Are we really, you know, Moving the needle at all.

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So I think energy management super important, and it may seem, some

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people are really doing whatever, but you don't know how many breaks

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are taking as far as like my approach to the conference, everybody's

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been to a, these type of things.

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I'll say that your leads come in through it, your friendships will come through it.

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Yeah, so it was always networking for me.

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I mean, the workshops are cool,

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but is that is.

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100%.

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I will say that one of the best decisions I made early on in my entrepreneurial,

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whatever the hell I'm doing, I don't even know whatever we're doing here.

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About three or four years ago, I volunteered for a

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conference and worked at one.

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And I'm telling you that was one of the best decisions because I

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got to see how people interact at conference from an outside perspective.

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And I worked some of the.

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Speakers booths.

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Like I worked at Mel Robins booth and sat there with her while she

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talked to every single person.

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And I saw the way they talked to her in a way most people

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approach that kind of stuff.

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And it made me realize I'm like, I do not want to be the typical fan girl, like

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trying to close a deal in a conference with somebody I've just met and like go

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really big and really understand that.

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Conferences are cool, but hopefully they're the beginning

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of something, a connection.

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Yeah.

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And they're not something that needs to close and happen on the floor.

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And I think that rush kind of panic expectation, ruins a lot of what could

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be really good connections because we're.

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Panicking and we're freaking out and we think this is our shot and our chance

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to get in front of this person or that, and it's not we needed to be way more

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longterm with things and realize that this could be an entry point to something that

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could last three or four years, a hundred percent and not have it happen a weekend.

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And that was very long Gregory.

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I'm sorry.

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No, no, no, no.

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That there's so much in there.

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That's valuable because I think at the end of the day, that is the point.

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Anyone who's trying to make a connection at a conference and turn

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that into the thing immediately.

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It's just straight up doing it wrong.

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You're going to come across way too aggressive.

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You're going to come across as, as needy and no one likes that person.

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I think for me coming into a conference, it's always about.

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For people who aren't friends, I want FaceTime because they're much

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more likely to answer my email if they have a face to put to it.

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That's good.

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And, and for people who are my friends, like I want to deepen that

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connection and spend some time with them and, and talk through what they're

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dealing with, what I'm dealing with.

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And it essentially just becomes this opportunity to

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get time in front of people.

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That has solo preneurs as entrepreneurs.

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We often don't get, I don't know about y'all too, but

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see, I just went to Southern

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that's what happens when I

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literally, I literally sit in a basement all day and talk to a microphone,

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an empty room, a literal basement.

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My studio, my workspace is set up in our base.

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Surrounded by my spider neighbors and, and just talk to a microphone.

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So getting to meet some of these people who have been Facebook messaging for

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years, or somebody like Heather I've, I've considered a very close friend for years

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meeting for the first time in person like that, that there's so much value in that.

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Well, and you were a speaker two years ago at this conference.

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So what has your perspective been having done that now?

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A couple of years.

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Yeah.

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So this I've been here three times.

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The first two times I spoke, this is the first time I, I'm not, it's not

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so much that I like it better, but it does create a different dynamics.

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Which do you like better being an or just a, a general admission,

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I guess, because when I.

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After after the day that I spoke or before the day that I spoke, often

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every person who approached me, it had something to do with the talk.

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And so you're put in this position of like a little bit of like an

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elevated thing, which is fine.

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It's great.

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But it doesn't feel like you can make a real connection that way, because

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you're starting from like different levels as opposed to general admission.

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Nobody knows who I am.

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Like I'm not big enough that somebody can glance at me and

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think, oh wow, that's great.

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And so.

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I go up to somebody, it doesn't say speaker on my badge, it just says general

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admission and we get to have a much deeper like conversation on the same level.

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Yeah.

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So I kind of liked that more.

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I'm probably gonna try and speak the next time, but I do kind

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of having experienced it now.

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I'm

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kinda like.

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I want to switch to something you wish you had done now that we're

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two days in or three days in it, depending on when you got here.

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And for me, it was being a little bit more strategic about people.

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I wanted access to.

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A lot of people will pay, go to conferences and, and they're

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like, that's my chance, right?

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Like, that's my chance to ask a question to that person.

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That's my chance to catch them in, you know, after dinner or at a

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networking event or whatever it may be.

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And I just kind of came in loose and this probably cause I haven't

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been to a conference in a minute and I'm just like, I just need to focus

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on ingesting knowledge, especially where I want to take the podcast.

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But what I did not do was go through and be like, I need to make a connection with

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so-and-so or that, or just even look at biographies and realize that two people

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here who are CEOs of podcasts, networking when these were veterans, which is like

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hands fucking down, like, hello, like of course I need to make that connection.

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So that's one thing that I would say to people out there,

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if you're going to start going.

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Yeah.

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Look at L start looking at biographies and be a little bit strategic if, if

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you really want to get the most out of it and see some of the people who've

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influenced you or imparted knowledge on you or given you value or whatever

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it is, I would say that's something you should definitely make happen

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to plan ahead for, since I did not.

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And I felt like I paid the price a little bit.

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How about you?

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What comes

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to mind is normally at a conference I was telling Greg

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I'll have yours.

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Don't bring your own food.

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So that way you can.

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You know, whatever you want.

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No, I'm so glad I

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didn't have, I've carried a big ass coffee pot with me here too.

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I do not know her grants.

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Zero surrogates.

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Usually I do kind of pre connection stuff before conference where I'm

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way more active in their Facebook group and community, and like

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connecting with people before.

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I don't want to say I regret doing that now because honestly, I, I,

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I really enjoyed this experience and energy management wise.

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I don't share it.

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And that's something I want to talk about here in a minute, but

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you know, had the energy to be any more social than I was this week.

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figure out how to be social again.

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But normally it's a really good idea.

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It's getting more active in the Facebook groups before.

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The Lewis house conference, I always would put up a post every single year.

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It says, Hey, let's connect on Instagram and I'd have hundreds of comments that I

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would personally go in and DM every single person there on Instagram, a voicemail.

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So when I show up, people are like, Hey, Heather, you know, I already knew it.

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So we start from a different place.

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And granted, not everybody has that energy time or craziness, but it's a cool idea.

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And it really pops and works you know, to know a lot of

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people before you even step out

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really solid point.

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Yeah.

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So I approach it a little bit differently.

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I came into this with, instead of rich to your suggestion, like, this is what

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I want to connect with, or Heather to yours with like building up this, this

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connection based beforehand I came in with here are the two things that I

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want to solve here are the, here are the problems that I'm coming here for.

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And so whether that comes to me through a panel or an event, or whether that

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comes to me through talking to someone.

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I know the two things that when I leave this, I want to have different thoughts

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about, than I did when I came here.

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And that, that served me really well.

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I think the thing that I regret.

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Going to that point of energy management is I did not give myself enough space

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to rest and recover this week because there are plenty of times where I felt

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like I should go back to the room.

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I should take a second.

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And I just didn't let myself mine.

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So we

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want you to do that.

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Was there like a pressure, like I'm missing out on something if

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I'm going to do this, or do you not want to walk that really long walk?

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Cause that's fine.

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Yeah, it is pretty well.

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No, it wasn't even a pressure.

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It was more so I would think.

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Yeah.

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And then almost just get like distracted, like squirrel syndrome, Ryan, like,

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oh, I need to go talk to this person.

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Like, oh my God, this I've been looking for this person all day.

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I should go talk.

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And then before I know at the time just passes.

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And then now it's the event time or whatever.

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And it's like, well, I'm not going to go back to my now I'm going to do that.

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And then you're at the party and you're, you're connecting and it's going great.

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So you're like, all right.

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Yes, I'm doing another three hours of sleep tonight or

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whatever it ends up being.

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But that's, that's true in my personal life as well.

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needs.

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All right, let's get back to the show.

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Well, let's go into just energy management because maybe you're

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not staying at a conference.

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Maybe you don't have the luxury of walking over to your hotel.

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Maybe you do.

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I don't know.

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But I think it would be interesting and valuable for people to, for us

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to kind of discuss energy management at a conference, because again, If

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I want to talk to Paul over here.

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Yeah.

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That might be a great connection, but if I'm completely drained, I'm frustrated.

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I've been talking for hours and hours.

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I could, you know, I want to go into that conversation with Paul

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full energy, really Heather parody.

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And so it's important to take time for yourself.

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So for me personally, I genuinely need to step away from all people.

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Like no one be completely alone and listen to music.

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Usually it involves eating something just general downtime.

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And normally, like, even if it's 30 minutes, I'll just jump in.

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My GME is for a minute and walk out of here.

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And then it comes back out.

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I don't know why it's so weird, but I have to do that.

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And I've, I've done that probably three times every

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single day that I've been here.

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I'll let you know, I'm like a Jedi.

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So I just run off and do that.

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But what about you guys?

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And I, I know it sounds ridiculous, but the three of us have talked.

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I'm really big on my routine.

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So it's important for me to go to bed at a certain time and get up at a certain time

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and start my day off a very specific way.

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So that way, it's a little bit more predictable for me.

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The only thing that's really kind of gotten off track and we've joked

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about this was like, just like what I've been eating or whatever, but,

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you know, waking up early for me, it's everything just involves a trigger.

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Right.

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It's a trigger for my mind, like, okay, it's now nine.

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Like I know like mentally I'm going to wind down or I'll start reading, or I

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watched some shitty show on the hotel TV.

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Energy management for me is making sure I get the adequate rest and get some sort of

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adequate physical exertion at some point.

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And walking around here, like yeah, counts, but not really.

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The mental part is the part where, and you always do this, you taught me this.

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I always do hashtag mental health on a lot of times after a run or a workout

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like that replenishes my mental health.

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Right.

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Like, and I think that, I think the most important thing I'm thinking

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about in my head right now, We've all been talking about energy management

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and all these things, but some people will probably do like, are like,

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dude, you're at a fucking conference.

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Like, what do you mean energy management?

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What are, what are you, what do you mean you're fatigued?

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Or what do you mean?

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It's exhausting?

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What do you mean networking is hard or like takes energy from you, but it does.

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So I make sure I balance it out through physical.

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And that way I could participate as much as possible, but dude, I

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want to go to my room all the time.

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So I really respect that.

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But here's the honest truth.

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I would have so much FOMO because like, there's these like little

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parties at night or whatever, and I respect what you're doing and I'm like,

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dude, I kind of want to go to bed.

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Like it's late, but I have FOMO.

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So how do you get over

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that?

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So Greg said something two minutes ago that made me think of something.

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And that was, he said he had his two goals.

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Right?

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So, if you have your two goals, that means you could say, I'm going to ignore the

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classes in this track or this or that.

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Right?

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Like you, you narrow it down to where you, you are kind of like pretty strategic or

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disciplined about what you're going to do and what you're not going to do for me.

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You know, I don't drink, like, I don't want to go around people who are drinking.

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I don't want to smell alcohol and people's breasts, and this

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is just my personal preference.

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Cause it's something I had to do.

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So that's hard for me.

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Right.

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So I don't want to go network with loud bumping music and it gets shitty

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sleep and look at the bags under my eyes the next day or whatever.

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I, I like to create that distance from, from the people I'm trying to be, and

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this isn't a competition, but I want to be a bad-ass fucking podcaster.

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And that means getting up at four and doing my fucking workout.

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Come on.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So like, that's just how I look at it.

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It's like, of course there's FOMO, dude.

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Like, you know, you guys know me already that there's no way I don't

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have the FOMO, but you know what?

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I'd actually feel like shit tomorrow, even if I made awesome connections that

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I slept in in his time not to go, like, just move something around in the gym.

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So that's

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let me ask you.

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Because I've known you for two, three days, however long it's been.

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And the two things I know about you, one you're very routine

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driven, which I respect.

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I'm not, I mean, I am, but I'm not, I am about weird things anyway.

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Yeah.

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To you somehow manage to pull off these amazing interviews with huge people.

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And it seems like you, you go the extra mile to make that.

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What if those two things clashed, what if going to the networking party

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would get you the mark Cuban interview or whatever it is like, which do you

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sacrifice?

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I like my chances of getting more Cuban, not at a network party,

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I'm wanting to be distinguishable.

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Right?

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So like, you're right, man.

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Like, you know how badly I would want to get up Questlove.

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Freaking Heather knows that's one degree away from Jimmy Fallon.

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Who's a dream interview, but fuck.

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Because like our respect.

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I, I, you know, I like my chances, man.

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Like I like my chances and I like my formula and I like my persistence.

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So, so that's kind of where I'm at.

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But yeah man, like we didn't get to you.

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So what about your energy management?

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Cause I remember yesterday you were like, ah, man, I stayed out till one and

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I went to McDonald's or another level

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do a good job of energy management in my real life, much less the conference,

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a conference, it only gets worse.

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However.

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So this morning, I woke up, went to the gym and I have my gym routine.

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Like I listen to music and it sounds weird, but that really does help

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me, like find my like inner space or whatever you want to call it.

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And I have my coffee, I have my breakfast, blah, blah, blah.

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For me, it comes down to I'm checking in with myself a lot.

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And I know when I'm tired, I know when I'm exhausted, however.

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I also know to an extent how far I can push that because when I'm at home, like

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I'm, I'm constantly working on two, three different projects at the same time.

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So I've got my main business.

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But for the last year, two years I've been building an app and that's

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all happening 9:00 PM to 3:00 AM.

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So I staying up late, like pushing the limits of what tired means for

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me like that, that is something I've been doing for a really long time.

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And I kind of can tell when I'm like, all right, I can do a little

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bit more versus I need to stop.

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And I feel like because I have that connection, it gives my

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myself permission a little bit too.

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Not that it's a good thing.

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But during the day, rather than going back to the room, all right.

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I'm just going to go a little bit longer.

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We get to the networking thing.

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All right.

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I'm going to go a little bit longer, whatever it is.

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And again, I don't want to advocate for it because I don't necessarily

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think it's healthy, but I do think that there is value in understanding

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what your personal limit looks

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like.

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Yes.

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A hundred percent.

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And here's one thing too.

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Yeah.

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I've been practicing, being honest with people.

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Cause you know, the, the walk back to your room, there's people who

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are stopping you all the time.

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And I feel bad sometimes saying like, Hey, I'd really love to talk

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right now, but I really need, and I've this, this trip I've been like,

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I need to go recharge my battery.

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Every person I've told that to goes, oh, good.

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I need to do that too.

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And it's, I think being honest about your cap and that you do get drained

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and all this that's really important because it gives other people, not that

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they need permission, but like, Hey, we're all human here and we're not all

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on all the time and I'm not some super human I need to rest a little bit.

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If you do to go do it and celebrate each other, doing that.

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If your friend needs to go rest or whatever, ask them,

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have you eaten Diedrich water, go lay down for a little bit.

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You know what I mean?

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We need to advocate for each other

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as well.

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I agree.

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It's unfortunately, we've got to wrap up here soon.

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So I think we'll start with Greg and Heather and then we'll go.

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For someone listening.

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Who's like, all right, it's time to go back to a conference and I'm going to go.

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And maybe they're apprehensive.

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Maybe they're not sure about the investment or they just

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are looking for an approach.

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What would, what would you kind of be like here's, here's your

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one ground really we'll follow it.

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It would probably do you.

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Well, I would

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say no.

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What you want.

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Like I said, I came in with the understanding.

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These are the two problems that matter, right?

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I don't know where I'm going to get the answers, but I'm going to

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get the answers for those things.

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And I've like you said, been able to filter everything else.

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So I would say, come in knowing what you want, whether that's to meet a

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particular person or to attend and learn a specific thing, doesn't really matter.

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But no, that

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perfect.

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Say be solid and who you are and play a long game.

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Let go of anxiety that you have one shot to do anything or make something very few

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people are, things are just born and made in like a day or two at some conference.

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It's cool.

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It's awesome.

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But play the long game and realize there's no stress.

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There's no anxiety.

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Everything will work out fine.

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And this is just a tiny little sentence of a paragraph of, yeah.

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Stinking ass books.

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So it's going to be cool.

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Go eat your burger.

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Yeah.

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We're playing

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the long game here.

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Yeah.

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I would say run the mile.

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You're in a, you know, like if it's like a marathon run the mile, you're in a, you

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could easily go into sessions and sure.

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What the fuck are they talking about?

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Like, this is over my head, you know what I mean?

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Like there's some ads and advertising.

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When I went into my, what are they like, what?

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And then there's other classes.

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I'm like, dude, this is kindergarten stuff.

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I'm like, this is ridiculous.

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I already know all this.

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So run the mile that you're in and you don't need to be

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like, critical about yourself.

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If you don't know something.

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And you also probably shouldn't venture on the narcissistic side and being

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like, I know too much because there's someone who's two who hasn't even

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started a podcast yet or something.

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Whatever, if you're at a sales conference, someone who's a sales intern or who knows

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what that could probably use your help.

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So just leverage your experience and just run the mile you're in.

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And I think you'll be straight for

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sure.

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Real fast before we go.

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If 10 seconds to answer this question, this comes from pod decks, which just

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left their cards here on the table.

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I'm going to ask this question really fast.

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What will people look back at us 50 years from now and be

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shocked and appalled by rich

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five seconds.

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Oh my God that I didn't get divorced again.

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Wow.

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50

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years from now.

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Wow.

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He became the dictator of the

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U S oh, dang

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thing.

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I would say that she is still wearing clothes, like she's 20

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years old, even though she's 83.

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She's wearing pajamas at conferences

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time.

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Well,

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but what a good clap?

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Wait, where can everyone find you and your podcast again, real

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quick at Heather parody, P a R a D Y.

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And the show is happy brain

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at Greg Clunis, G R E G G C L U N I S.

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All platforms podcast is tiny leaps, big changes.

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This is rich Cardona.

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You know what it is?

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You're already on leadership locker and you know where to find me.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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We're out.

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See ya.

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Okay.

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I hope Heather and Greg just got some new listeners or some new

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follows on Twitter or Instagram or wherever you like to exist.

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These are obviously two amazing people.

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I hope you could feel the five was just so strong.

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And one thing that we talked about for sure was growing our podcasts.

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You know, obviously that is the number one question.

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That gets asked all the time.

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How can I grow my podcast?

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How can I grow my podcast?

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How can I grow my podcast?

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Okay.

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And yeah, it really is in the podcast.

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World is a matter of not trying to convert the unconverted.

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Okay.

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Meaning.

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Trying to find people in places that don't usually listen to podcasts or who are not

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podcasts listeners to subscribe or share my shit, you know, where I need to do it.

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I need to do it with you guys.

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You guys already know, right.

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You're listening for it.

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So the best opportunity I have to grow this and have more impact and impart some

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of these same things on others is by you sharing it with other podcasts listeners,

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someone who has to hear these messages.

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So do me a favor, please.

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If you got anything out of it, that's all I ask.

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If you got anything out of it, share it, share the link, send it to someone.

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And that is obviously going to be awesome.

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If you are not a subscriber, please subscribe.

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That'll make me thrilled.

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I'm very happy with the numbers, but I'd love to continue to see them go up because

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again, you guys are the reason I'm here.

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Secure some of these guests and you guys are some of the reasons that I give the

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best possible knowledge I can through some of the experiences I'm going through.

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So we'll leave it at that.

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We will get back to you in a couple of days with a new

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episode of the leadership locker.

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And I am incredibly, incredibly grateful for all that.

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I want to talk to some of you, so feel free to DM me and we could get on the

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zoom or on the phone for 10 minutes and just see who you are, what you're

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